[16:11] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Good morning and
welcome to Koffee Klatch!
[16:11] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Before I open the
discussion, let me post the usual header:
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type "C" if you wish to make a comment, "Q" if you have a
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If a person has a question for a specific person on what they said, just
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[16:12] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We tend to go in
the order received, however, we generally will promote questions directed at a
person's comment to the top.
[16:12] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): If a person asks a
question of the group, there is no need to put in a "C" to reply,
replies to the question will be open.
Just answer, or we'll have a bunch of "Cs" at the bottom.
[16:12] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): While we are a
chatty group, lots of extra chat makes it "noisy," so if we can
please keep that to a minimum, it would be very appreciated, thank Y/you!
[16:12] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): The blog for this
munch is:
https://xaarakoffeeklatch.blogspot.com/
It holds the archive for our munches here starting Jan 3, 2021.
[16:13] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So, today our
discussion is on "Freedom", one that we have had a couple times over
the four or so years I've been heading this group
[16:14] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): A lot of people say
that the BDSM and D/s lifestyle are very "Freeing" to them.
[16:14] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And I've often
wondered how exactly that's meant.
[16:14] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): For example, for
the s-type in a D/s relationship, there is a lot less "freedom"
[16:15] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And even the D-type
is under consensual restraints to their sub/slave
[16:15] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and last night I
went to the local BDSM club and did rather perverse things *cough*
[16:15] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): perks up!
[16:16] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so...I'm free to be
my own perverse self!
[16:16] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Which is what a lot
of the "Morality Squad" like to say about our lifestyle, we support
the downfall of all that is good. They
see us as irresponsible!
[16:17] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): First of all, f**k
that.
[16:17] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): But in a broader
scope, with freedom comes responsibility.
What are our responsibilities with this freedom we talk about? We've had talk about making examples and
setting proper rules.
[16:18] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): This is the talk I
want to use to segue into our longer yearly discussion of BDSM in specifics.
[16:18] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So first let's talk
about our freedom, how we are free to be us, and what responsibilities, if any,
come with this freedom. What does it
mean to be "free" in the context of our lifestyle?
[16:19] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Rouge, you've been
thinking about this I can tell, so you will start us off today! Tell us how you are free!
[16:19] яøυɢє ѕνєиѕкα (RougeLaroux Resident): thanks vanni
freeing is one way to put it, and also, depending who you
ask as to what that freedom entails.
the constraints of daily life can take its toll on most if
not E/everyone here in one way or another. so to be able to " shed the
shackles" of vanilla life, and take up those of M/s, D/s etc is soo refreshing.
yes, there are those, like myself who life the M/s life 24/7, and if it wasn't
for having this in my life, and having those who Own myself in this world and
in real life, I can guarantee you id not be here.
M/s, BDSM has been a saviour for myself in more ways than
one. some know my past, some dont, but suffice to say, after what I have had to
endure most of my life, compared to how life is now, I wouldnt change it for
the world.
my family, and my friends give me a great anchoring, and a
way to be able to find my way back if do start to drift. thankfully I can
honestly say I have that in both worlds, not many have that luxury in either.
[16:19] яøυɢє ѕνєиѕкα (RougeLaroux Resident): life, this lifestyle is VERY much freeing for
me#
[16:20] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): yes! This is a common kind of response, and you
encapsulate it perfectly!
[16:22] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Many of us feel
shackles of having to perform in a Vanilla world and hide what we really feel
inside. It's, as we say, seen to be
socially irresponsible and dubious to say we enjoy being a "slave" or
liking to hit people or being hit, etc
[16:22] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So I think your
opening salvo really hits the nail on the head.
[16:22] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks so much
Rouge! ♥
[16:23] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Brianne, when you
are ready, you can remove your gag and speak...for a while :P
[16:23] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): Thank you,
Vanni.....
[16:24] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): Freedom and
Liberty imply a lot of latitude, as they should, but they're not anarchy. “your personal liberty to swing your arm ends
where my nose begins”. We talked about
structure last week(?) and to me, D/s is a structure that says "inside the
limits of this sandbox you may indulge your kinky desires." That opens up possibilities, not ends
them. In other places I have different
freedoms. In D/s, I'm free to expand on
some needs that are very near and dear to me.
The structure, the rules of the road, so to speak, give me degrees of
freedom in that way. I believe I'm just
reforming what others here think and say.
I love being in this sandbox with you all. #
[16:24] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): #
[16:24] Arella McGregor (Arella4 Resident): chuckles @ that
quote
[16:25] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I like how you put
that
[16:26] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): the very rules and
structures we place on our lifestyle -- SSC, RACK, safety in mind -- allow us
to indulge in things that would be otherwise very harmful, and let us
self-actualize.
[16:27] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): For those of Y.you
that have been in my class for the Angel program on Wants and Needs, I talk about
developmental psychologist Abraham Maslow, and show his "Hierarchy of
Needs."
[16:27] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): the need to self
actualize is the highest of the needs, but it's a real one!
[16:28] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Otherwise we never
fully develop as humans
[16:28] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so some invent
great things, some win car races, some create lifesaving medicines...and some
like to go to kinky clubs and do naughty things (like me)....it's each person's
life to actualize!
[16:28] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So perfectly said
Brianne!
[16:29] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): Thank you!
[16:29] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thank you!
[16:29] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Mistress...soon to
be Mistress Adept(!) Arella...You are up please! :)
[16:29] Arella McGregor (Arella4 Resident): Thank you,
Vanni. It can be confusing to have
"Freedom" in the same sentence with BDSM, D/s, submissive, slave, and
limits. The freedom comes from the structure.
A known format of what is expected and accepted can alleviate stress and
concern for such matters. And ofc those
things are tailored to each individual.
#
[16:30] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): It is interesting
how structure can be freeing, isn't it Mistress. Once we know the parameters of behavior, we
can really be free to act.
[16:32] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Very well said,
thank You Mistress! ♥
[16:32] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We go to Aspen when
ready, please!
[16:33] Aspen Diamond (Aspenbell03 Resident): Thank you
Vanni,
[16:33] Aspen Diamond (Aspenbell03 Resident): dungeon where I live but the people who ran
it moved. We still have the dungeon but need good people to run it\
[16:35] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): See, this is
exactly the point. Aspen told us about
her needs and lifestyle. "Polite
society" would frown at her and tell her to stop. Here we applaud her, and encourage her
self-exploration. THAT is freedom.
[16:35] Peaches Svenska (Peaches Gapchenko): Indeed!
[16:35] - ד ה א ๖̶̶̶̶ۣۣۜۜζ͜͡-call
me D (dontstopbelieving2006 Resident): smiles
[16:36] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Aspen, I love all
the growth you have shown over the couple years I've known you, and I think the
Aspirant path is really going to make you shine.
[16:36] Aspen Diamond (Aspenbell03 Resident): Thank you
Vanni
To me it means I can relax and be me behind the keyboard. I
cam express my emotions and playful self. In Real I can still be myself but on
the outside people see me as a professional women working with students at
school. But on the weekends I can do things like being naked in my house, Going
out with no underwear on with even with anal beads in her ass. When I was in
Gor for 3.5 years as a slave it was like letting go. I had some good Masters
but had bad one also to where they wanted to kill me. But it was for me behind
the keyboard was the freeing of letting all of the emotions that were pinned
in. D/s has giving me more freedom of who I really am..
Here I can be very naughty, But as I need the structure, of
protocol with a Master who knows my wants and needs and more. So being a
slave/sub is a learning in progress for me.
Living in a so called small town where I have to drive to a
dungeon like 100 miles South of me and local munches 60 miles again South of
me. When we had a good
[08:33] Aspen Diamond (aspenbell03): dungeon where I live but the people who ran
it moved. We still have the dungeon but need good people to run it\
[16:36] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): applauds my friend.
[16:36] Peaches Svenska (Peaches Gapchenko): gave Aspen a smile and a thumbs up
[16:36] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thank you for that!
[16:36] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We move to Sir D
please!
[16:37] - ד ה א ๖̶̶̶̶ۣۣۜۜζ͜͡-call
me D (dontstopbelieving2006 Resident): thank you
[16:37] - ד ה א ๖̶̶̶̶ۣۣۜۜζ͜͡-call
me D (dontstopbelieving2006 Resident): I definitely believe this can be freeing
for alot of people. How that looks is going to vary depending on peoples
experiences. For me, while ive had over 15 yrs expericing and
growing within my own knowledge. I love
that there are places here on sl where we can have the freedom to meet others
and explore with them. That is a freedom
I am aware that not many have. May it be
because of an unsupportive spouse or people not supportive of their own
journey. There is a freedom here that gives us the opportunity to grow within
that knowledge and learning the structures that exist within those spaces.
[16:37] - ד ה א ๖̶̶̶̶ۣۣۜۜζ͜͡-call
me D (dontstopbelieving2006 Resident): ----
[16:37] - ד ה א ๖̶̶̶̶ۣۣۜۜζ͜͡-call
me D (dontstopbelieving2006 Resident): A good example of this is seeing a
friend of mine attend her first high protocol event. Seeing her in subspace and so happy was one
of the most beautiful things I have ever seen for her. While she had aftercare,
it was beautiful to see her so calm and happy after her session. She looked so free and blissful, for someone
like her it was very rewarding for her. While I myself have never been to those
events as a submissive, it does peak my switchiness (what i call it) to one day
try the same. As a switch and someone in
dom head space most of the time and gay,
I believe its important in my own opinion, to continue exploring both my
dominance and submission by learning from those I can and having those
experiences I find to be beneficial toward my growth, including those I am
with.
[16:37] - ד ה א ๖̶̶̶̶ۣۣۜۜζ͜͡-call
me D (dontstopbelieving2006 Resident): ---
[16:38] - ד ה א ๖̶̶̶̶ۣۣۜۜζ͜͡-call me D
(dontstopbelieving2006 Resident): The fact that I have the freedom to do so
because of where I live and my rl situation, is a gift because not everyone is
as lucky. We do not have that kind of freedom on the gay grid where alot there
is not about community or education but sex and getting what you need when you
need it. Which is fine for some people
but not everyone wants that. And I am glad that we have the freedom to have
spaces that encourage growth through understanding and education here on
Secondlife. (done)
[16:38] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Yes! :)
[16:39] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I love everything
You said there Sir.
[16:39] - ד ה א ๖̶̶̶̶ۣۣۜۜζ͜͡-call
me D (dontstopbelieving2006 Resident): thank you :)
[16:41] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Very well said and
I thank You for your perspective that can be very enlightening to others that
haven't had Your experiences. We pride
ourselves here in Xaara by trying to incorporate all positive experiences and
outlooks.
[16:41] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thank You!
[16:41] Candice Svenska (CandiceElla Resident): agrees :)
[16:42] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): OK Peaches, keep
the Svenska hand held high here, you're up!
[16:42] Peaches Svenska (Peaches Gapchenko): Thank you
Vanni,
I would give my eye teeth to live the D/s life in 1st life,
24/7 but it's not feasible due to my 1st life family. Sadly, I have 2 failed
marriages, each 17 yrs long, because both men handed over total control to me,
even though i desperately did NOT want it.
I dont WANT to make all the decisions and make all the
money, and make all the unpleasant phone calls and deal with ass whole people
who dont do their jobs right like car repairmen, lawn people..etc. I had to
wear the fricking pants and man up! I HATED it!
Here, I dont have to make all the decisions. Master Ballard
is the only one who wears pants in our family! His decisions and the structure
he provides, absolutely allow us that freedom to experience self
[16:43] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I know a lot of
people in my First Life BDSM community that say much the same thing, in
different ways, Peaches.
[16:44] Sarkie Pantera (MzSarken Resident): nods... hates
those decisions
[16:44] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and I've mentioned
my friend that works for Starbucks, has to make decisions in her job as a
manager, and then goes home to her 24/7 Master and can just "let go"
and let Him make all the decisions
[16:44] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): it's how she
recharges her batteries
[16:44] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So what you're
saying here is 100% understandable in our community
[16:45] Peaches Svenska (Peaches Gapchenko): im so jealous
of her!
[16:46] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I wonder also if
the reverse is true, Peaches -- do Dominant people who are stuck in jobs where
they are NOT the decision maker use the D in D/s to recharge their batteries
and go back to the mundane job where they have to enact the will of others?
[16:48] Peaches Svenska (Peaches Gapchenko): thats also why
men can be abusive i think, because they are bossed around all day and come
home and take out that frustration on their wives
[16:49] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I agree
Peaches....taking out those frustrations in a negative, abusive way
[16:49] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Whereas the
struture of D/s would allow them to get those needs met in a positive,
proactive way
[16:50] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Well said, thank you!
[16:50] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We move on to
Grace, you are up please!
[16:50] Grace (GracieMoonheart Resident): HI , I see or feel
it "freeing" in a more personal way, In rl i have many people at home
i am responsible for , my Mom, my brother , my son.... so I find I have a lot
of pent up feelings and issues , so in this lifestyle I can express those
feeling open and honest thru a flogging or a spanking , giving me a good hard
cry or a red bottom , it frees me of the tied up emotions that I am unable to
express . #
[16:51] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Yes!
[16:51] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Getting those kinky
needs met can allow those in the lifestyle to stabilize themselves
[16:52] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I had a student
back in the early 2000s who had a kinky roommate.
[16:52] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And said roommate
would go to the local BDSM club to "center" by getting beaten, then
she could come home and study
[16:53] Grace (GracieMoonheart Resident): nods it centers my
focus
[16:53] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): She would get
agitated and needed that naughty act to get her back on track
[16:54] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks Grace, well
said :)
[16:54] Grace (GracieMoonheart Resident): thank you VAnni
[16:54] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We move on to
Sylvie please!
[16:55] Sylvie Delvalle (Pureperle Anton): Thank you Vanni!
[16:55] Sylvie Delvalle (Pureperle Anton): For me, It is
both simple and complex. Complex because before offering my submission, I had
to get to know this Man! Was I able to give him what he wanted? Did he have any
aspirations that would not suit a fulfilling relationship for both of us.
During our conversations, I felt an immense need to kneel at his feet and give
him who I am. And it's simple, because our exchanges allow me to open up to
him, to share my "darkest" desires, my wildest dreams. I finally feel
free!
[16:55] Sylvie Delvalle (Pureperle Anton): In terms of daily
life, belonging to Master Lngo allows me to release stress and tension. I have
rules, a framework and I know what he expects of me. He knows that I can manage
my RL life and he supports me as much as I can for him... Difficult for me to
express everything in a few words, but it is certain that it allows me to
flourish and to give the best of myself in all areas of my life #
[16:56] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): :)
[16:56] Ballard (Ballard Svenska): q
[16:56] Sylvie Delvalle (Pureperle Anton): look at Master
Ballard
[16:56] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Well said Sylvie!
[16:56] Ballard (Ballard Svenska): How many submissives
would say that Rules make you feel more "Free"?
[16:56] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Please go ahead and
answer
[16:57] Iris (Iris Blackwood): may I share an analogy I'm
fond of?
[16:57] Ballard (Ballard Svenska): It is an often
misunderstood (by dominants) factor
[16:57] Sarkie Pantera (MzSarken Resident): yes. not so much
free as anchored
[16:57] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Go ahead Iris!
[16:57] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): oh, that's a
nice way to describe it, Sarkie
[16:58] Sarkie Pantera (MzSarken Resident): smiles
[16:58] Humormii (Humormii Resident): the calm in the storm
[16:59] Iris (Iris Blackwood): That's exactly right, Sarkie,
and leads into my analogy actually. I
see my Dominant as the planet or star even around which I orbit. In a sense,
the Dominant sets my orbit through rules and expectations and then that sort of
gravitational pull that keeps me in that orbit gives me the freedom to act#
[16:59] Ballard (Ballard Svenska): Nice
[16:59] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Yes, exactly Iris
[16:59] Sarkie Pantera (MzSarken Resident): smiles
[16:59] Sylvie Delvalle (Pureperle Anton): Great!! well said
Iris
[17:00] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): A lot of s-types
say they feel "unmoored" and adrift minus those rules
[17:00] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): I can truly
visualize that, Iris. I can feel that
myself.
[17:00] Candice Svenska (CandiceElla Resident): nice :)
[17:00] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Because as Peaches
said, that leads to the necessity to make the decisions they crave NOT to make.
[17:00] Iris (Iris Blackwood): very much so
[17:00] Grace (GracieMoonheart Resident): great analogy Iris
[17:00] Sylvie Delvalle (Pureperle Anton): easier for me to
make decision if I have a framework
[17:00] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Right
[17:01] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): nods nods @ Sylvie
[17:01] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): See a Bottom
doesn't need that. They like to go to
the club or wherever and get their kinky acts on, and then can go back to their
life and do their "vanilla" thing minus frustration
[17:01] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Whereas the S-type,
on a spectrum from Sub to Slave, needs more control in their life
[17:02] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So I think all of
this discussion is hitting on that
[17:03] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Excellent points,
thank you Sylvie, Iris and Master Ballard!
[17:03] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We go back to Aspen
please!
[17:03] Sylvie Delvalle (Pureperle Anton): welcome Vanni
[17:03] Aspen Diamond (Aspenbell03 Resident): Thank you
Vanni
I feel the way Grace does. If I could get a spanking, or
flogging, or ect. I could have a good cry and wash all of those pin up
emotions. When I get frustrated and have my melt downs Which a bunch of you
have seen in me. You know that is what I need to re-focus and return to a
balance emotions to where you keep walking on your path of life here and in
Real feeing of freedom in both worlds.
[17:04] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Agreed Aspen!
[17:04] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): applauds Aspen
[17:05] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Well said, thank
you ASpen!
[17:05] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Miss Petra, thank
You for waiting, You are up please!
[17:06] Petra Steele (PetraSteele58 Resident): My comment
will come from a somewhat different perspective thank you Vannie. I think there is another source of freedom or
the restriction thereof. I am speaking
of freedom within the realm of the intrapersonal, as opposed to that of the
interpersonal/community. I think that
having in internal, psychological sense of freedom can come from or be
restricted by such things as self concept and self esteem, the relative
strength or inflation of ego., also body image which will include
pathology/illness or disability, and finally one's level of overall mental
health and one’s attitude or investment in the importance of material things.
In other words one may live in a "free society:" but experience
restrictions that will make the individual feel "unfree" or
imprisoned by factors which are essentially internal.#
[17:06] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): nods a lot as Miss Petra's comment
[17:08] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And it's the
interplay of society's reaction to whatever we are or how we look and then the
effect on one's self-esteem, which then plays back out to society. We may be a very accomplished person, but if
society has in its collective mind there is something "wrong" with us
(scare quotes intentional), then that will start to weigh on us. And that limits freedom.
[17:09] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So 100% agree Miss
Petra...society may be free, but that doesn't guarantee freedom to everyone,
sadly.
[17:09] Petra Steele (PetraSteele58 Resident): just so Vanni
[17:10] Sarkie Pantera (MzSarken Resident): well said Vanni
[17:10] Iris (Iris Blackwood): side note sorta...there's
actually an episode of SVU where an academic gets one of her students to
pretend to be the writer of a D/s themed novel that she can't admit to writing
herself at the risk of her career as a college professor
[17:11] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Obviously they
don't have tenure!
[17:12] Iris (Iris Blackwood): lol well I think she's more
concerned about being just not taken seriously than actually being fired but
yes it reflects that pressure to conform we all feel in the vanilla world
[17:12] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I agree Iris
[17:12] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That's why I'd
write an academic book on all my kinky, perverse activities
[17:13] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Actually Master
Ballard will remember I'm sure that for my Seraph path, I read and reported on
a couple academic books about kink.
[17:13] Sarkie Pantera (MzSarken Resident): coughs, hand
up,...I'll take a copy of that, please
[17:13] Ballard (Ballard Svenska): I recall it well
[17:14] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): The beauty of the
Social Sciences is we can study and report on just about anything
[17:15] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): perverts
[17:15] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): BDSM is very well
represented in our studies
[17:15] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I do lots of
participant observations...for science *nods*
[17:15] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): yay Science!
[17:16] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Any other comments
on today's topic?
[17:17] Iris (Iris Blackwood): I'm pretty sure I studied
Beowulf under the only professor that could ever have made me love it so yes
conversion is possible LOL
[17:17] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Did you read it in
the original Klingon,....er...Old English?
[17:17] Brianne (kittenbunnydoll Resident): *laughs*
[17:17] Sarkie Pantera (MzSarken Resident): facepalm
[17:17] Iris (Iris Blackwood): bits of it were read in OE,
yes, but we had a translation as the main source
[17:17] Ballard (Ballard Svenska): Beowulf is amazing
[17:17] Aspen Diamond (Aspenbell03 Resident): This has been
great Vanni thank you.
[17:18] Peaches Svenska (Peaches Gapchenko): always is,
Vanni rocks, no doubt!
[17:18] Vanni Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thank Y/you all for
coming!
