[15:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Good morning and welcome to Koffee Klatch!
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[name]"
[15:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We tend to go in
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[15:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): If a person asks
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replies to the question will be open.
Just answer, or we'll have a bunch of "Cs" at the bottom.
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It houses current and many older discussions.
[15:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So welcome, we
haven't had a Klatch since February I think, partly due to people having other
things to do and partly the Easter Sunday holiday.
[15:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but now we're
back and rarin' to go!
[15:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Today we start
our yearly trek through the BDSM acronym.
[15:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): You likely know
that BDSM as an acronym stands for three things: B/D:
Bondage and Discipline, S/M:
Sadism and Masochism, and D/s:
Dominance and Submission.
[15:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Our goal over
these discussions is to talk out how we all see this and how these things
affect us.
[15:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I want to point
out that all of us are at different phases of our BDSM experience. Some are brand new, some are like me, old
timers, and many are somewhere in the middle.
[15:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): slams Geritol
[15:43] Johan Dark (WJohanW Resident): *schedules himself
and Vanni for colonoscopies*
[15:43] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): looks for some ensure.
[15:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): lol
[15:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Medical BDSM!
[15:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I consent!
[15:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So ALL points of
view are welcome, and everyone has their own views and narrative as we wind
through the acronym.
[15:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So with that, we
start with B -- B is for Bondage!
[15:44] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I'll spit out
some exposition, and while I do or after, please put in your C or Q for a
comment or question!
[15:44] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): To quote
Wikipedia, which knows all, Bondage "is the practice of consensually
tying, binding, or restraining a partner for erotic, aesthetic, or
somatosensory stimulation. A partner may be physically restrained in a variety
of ways, including the use of rope, cuffs, bondage tape, or self-adhering
bandage."
[15:45] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): stops to allow people to fan themselves as
necessary.....
[15:45] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Bondage is often
an act in and of itself, meaning that the people involved will do that as a
scene in itself
[15:46] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): At my First Life
club, there are many scenes where a person is tied in some way, such as
suspension, and that's the scene, and the act in and of itself puts the bottom
into subspace.
[15:46] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Sometimes the
restraining is mixed with S/M acts as well such as spanking, etc, but in
general the rigging or what not is the scene.
[15:47] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Watching the
rigging is great, it's sexy to behold. But I don't do rigging myself, I don't
have patience. I just want to beat someone silly.....or get beat maybe.... ;)
[15:48] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): BUT I do use
these things called "easy-offs" for restraining, they look like two
hooks on each side which attach to the restraint and the bondage device....two
mins max to restrain and then right to fun.
[15:48] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Also with this,
use of handcuffs, leg irons, arm spreaders, gags, latex body suits,
hoods....detects *subspace is coming*...are possible, and MORE! LOTS MORE!
[15:49] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): *ahem*
[15:49] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Along with the
fun comes safety.
[15:49] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): It's DANGEROUS to
leave a person alone tied anywhere in First Life
[15:50] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Sure the physical
aspect isn't here in SL, but in First Life, never. Anyone in my club that ties someone and walks
out of the room without getting someone to watch the bound person is never
going to play there again.
[15:50] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): The Dungeon
Monitor will end the scene and release the person immediately.
[15:50] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Also a person who
is bound needs to be regularly checked in with to be sure they're ok.
[15:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So if you do this
in First Life and are getting a cramp, or claustrophobia, or ANYTHING, ask for
a change, or ask to end the scene if necessary.
[15:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And of course, if
You are the Top, please be responsible, check in and be sure Your charge is ok
during the whole scene.
[15:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So, with all that
said.....two questions to the August Assembly here...
[15:52] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): 1) Do you enjoy
Bondage, either as the bound person, or the person doing the binding? What's the attraction in all this?
[15:52] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): 2) As SL is
visual and psychological, why do you think this is such a turn on here in
SL? Unless we mirror the binding at home
(usually not advised) it's all what I like to call "Theater of the
Mind." But it's still sexy fun
here! Why? What's the psychological connection in your
opinion?
[15:52] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ok exposition
done...your turn!
[15:53] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Let's hear from
the Assembly why we like this!...or maybe it's not a turn on. That's fair too
[15:53] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Lyrah when ready
please
[15:53] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): I did rope rl for years
[15:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): and what the draw was for
me, as a model, or rope bunny was the slow and meticulous care the top took to
place the rope on my skin
[15:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): you are in close quarters
[15:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): your can feel their breath
on you
[15:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): they continuously whisper
to you to make sure that you are alright
[15:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): it is very intimate
[15:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): I love it!
[15:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): and then once you are
bound, they play
[15:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): and it's a rush!
[15:55] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): I love it to pieces!!!
[15:55] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): done. Thank you.
[15:55] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Follow up, Lyrah
-- what would you say is the *biggest* thrill of it all...the lack of moving,
the intimate feeling, the inability to move if they spank you or more....or
something else...or all of it? ;)
[15:56] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): the intimacy and close up
attention as they tie me
[15:56] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): but I also love being taken
while immobile
[15:56] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): struggling to touch them
when it's out of my control
[15:56] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): it's a high!
[15:56] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): rawr!
[15:56] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): smiles
[15:56] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): haha done
[15:57] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): You mean...being
taken to McDonalds of course..."The bound girl will have a #4, and don't
ask how she'll be eating it..." ;)
[15:57] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): haha
[15:57] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): I'll have fries with that!
[15:57] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): *giggles*
[15:57] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So you want
that...SUPERSIZED Lyrah? ;)
[15:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ♫
rimshot ♫
[15:58] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): it's the quality, not the
quantity, Miss.
[15:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Indeed
[15:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Sorry this isn't
stand up routines with Vanni...allegedly
[15:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks Lyrah that
was a great start up!
[15:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Liss you are up
please!
[15:58] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): my pleasure Miss
[15:58] Liss (LissomePrey Resident): I am purely into
bondage in sl, maybe sadly, maybe not. Here for me I have a strong sexual
response to bondage but realise that for others it brings quite different
emotions. I wonder what the emotions are for various people, subs and
Dominants. Maybe this repeats Miss Vanessa's question to Lyrah :) #
[15:59] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I think as Lyrah
said, it's very intimate and close, it plays into that sexual closeness.
[16:00] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Also remember,
for a lot of people, bedroom sex games are where they first dabble in
BDSM....tie up and get at it....
[16:00] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so I think there
is a strong sexual connection, Liss
[16:00] Liss (LissomePrey Resident): But for some there is
no or very little sexual involvement?
[16:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Sure
[16:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): it depends on the
person
[16:02] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Some people find
it odd when I say that a LOT of BDSM has no sexual aspect to it. At the RL club I've never had any sex with
any person (intercourse is what I mean)
[16:02] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I like to beat
people silly and then snuggle after while they float in subspace
[16:02] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): yummy!
[16:02] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): looks for the sign up sheet.
[16:02] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): lolol
[16:03] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Liss that was a
great comment thank you!
[16:03] Ɓrittaŋɣ ღ Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Brittany Serenade): holds out the notepad
[16:03] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): hahaha!
[16:03] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Oddly...Wynter
you're up!!
[16:03] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): chuckles
[16:03] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): I do enjoy
bondage to a degree, suspension can be very enjoyable and meditative even in
the right situation. It's also very useful (for me at least) when combined with
SM because squirming is far less effective.. and a sadist might enjoy watching
the submissive/bottom struggle against the restraints as their getting paddled
or some similar implement is being used.(more)
[16:03] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): As far as doing
bondage to another, I enjoy the restrictions and helplessness imposed upon them
for a pre-negotiated time, it feeds my sadism to a degree and I can appreciate
the different ways in which a body can be contorted and restrained. That
helplessness can also translate well into SL with the proper RLV restrictions
active. So it can help emphasize the power exchange when a submissive can't
touch anything because their hands are tied behind their back.. things like
that.#
[16:04] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): rubs her hands together in
agreement
[16:04] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Well
now...uh.....what were you saying
*dreamy look slowly fades*
[16:05] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): nods
[16:05] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): smiles.
[16:05] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That's all really
so well said Wynter!
[16:06] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I'm old enough to
remember when RLV first came out *guzzles more Geritol*....I thought it was
sort of needless. "I'll just do
what you say, why do we need that?"
[16:06] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): But I found that
in play here it really does give life to Bondage play
[16:06] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): What will happen
next? no idea!
[16:06] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Suddenly toss on
a rack or something
[16:07] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So 100% agree --
the helplessness is key and RLV can help to make it real
[16:07] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks for that
Wynter, your knowledge is always on key and welcome
[16:08] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): A pleasure,
Vanni.
[16:08] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And we move to
the other Serenade...Britt please!
[16:08] Ɓrittaŋɣ ღ Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Brittany Serenade): When I was
active in rl rope play the tempo very much suited me. The element of breath and
anticipation, some mystery and uncertainty about what was next, the
experimentation with new knots, and the compliant willingness on the part of my
submissive to experience something new which we weren't sure exactly how that
would turn out.
[16:09] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): oooo yesssssss
[16:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): SL is
"Theater of the Mind" so part of what we do here involves
visualization. But the brain is also the
biggest sex organ.
[16:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So seeing it and
the words can elicit a very similar
response to what is done in First Life.
[16:12] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Britt, thanks for
that comment.....I totally agree with how rigging is so sexy and we can make it
very deep here indeed.
[16:12] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Rarden you are up
please
[16:13] Rarden Savage (Rarden85 Resident): For me i enjoy
various forms of bondage and binding especially rope. The attraction for me is a few things
including creating something with the materials, creating art if you will with
rope and a submissive. I enjoy the
closeness, the control, seeing and feeling her reactions. It is quite a few things. I do find that my RL experience heightens not
only my play but my RP experience. Bondage and rope can not only be intimate,
but freeing for a lot of the submissives I've interacted with because they can
simply let go, feel and just be.
[16:13] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Yessssss!
[16:13] Rarden Savage (Rarden85 Resident): A few have said
it already, take your time, weave the scene, and bring them in.#
[16:14] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I agree....when I
watch the riggers at the First Life club, the total euphoria that most of the
bottoms/subs get as they are tied and suspended is gorgeous
[16:14] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): punctuated with a
spank or paddle or what not at times too!
[16:14] Rarden Savage (Rarden85 Resident): I've had subs got
directly to subspace with just a single tie
[16:14] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Yum!
[16:15] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): People also say
that being tied and put at their Dom s feet, or just tied to a piece of
furnishing can have that effect too
[16:16] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): snaps my fingers "out of subspace! Out
out out!" :P
[16:16] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): looks for an anchor to not float away.
[16:16] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Excellent comment
Rarden, thanks for sharing your experiences in both First and Second Lives.
[16:16] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Benedetta thanks
for waiting you have the floor.
[16:16] (Benedetta
it>en): Thank you
[16:17] (Benedetta
en>en): First of all, I don't think it's a game in the sense that everything
that concerns the mind and here in SL can only touch the mind and in the end
it's not a game but something serious and the atmosphere that is created
involves the mind completely... being tied up here and entering into the
details of the action involves the mind and manages to enter the soul...
bondage is something that frees the mind in my opinion the ropes, the handcuffs,
the gags, the blindfolds create a high emotion and as such it affects my mind,
but not to excite my body but to give value to the emotions
[16:17] (Benedetta
it>en): have you ever felt an emotion?
[16:17] (Benedetta
it>en): an emotion enters the nose, reaches the throat and descends into the
soul
[16:18] (Benedetta
it>en): the ropes a ribbon a blindfold anything creates an emotion and tied
it takes me together with my dominant on a cloud and from there... we start #
[16:18] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Wow that was
beautiful, Benedetta!
[16:19] (Benedetta
it>en): Thank you
[16:19] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And I agree that
SL is NOT a game...we are all real people here interacting and weaving a story
together.
[16:19] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): C @ Benedetta (It
can wait till after Vent goes. It's indirectly related.)
[16:19] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): There's no
"win"...unless the best scene ever is the goal...but that's elusive.
[16:20] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Benedetta, thank
you for sharing that and welcome to Xaara!
Benevenuto! ♥
[16:20] (Benedetta
it>en): Thank you
[16:20] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Vent you are up
please!
[16:21] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): Thank you . I agree
with a lot that has been said before.. But I wanted to add the simple estetic
beautify of the human round forms, shaped by the straight lines of ropes
[16:21] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): *beauty
[16:21] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): and for me, the shaping
of it
[16:22] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): when applying ropes
[16:22] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): For me this works in
both worlds.#
[16:23] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I love that!
[16:23] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Yes it's very
nice to see indeed
[16:23] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I love watching
the riggers
[16:23] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks for that
Vent!
[16:23] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Wynter you have a
comment on what Benedetta said?
[16:24] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): Benedetta, I just
wanted to say that there can be much more to what happens in SL for many
people. Imagination lives on a spectrum, some you can tell "imagine a
car" and they think of only the words.. you tell someone on the opposite
end of that spectrum to imagine the car, and they can tell you the texture of
the interior, how that new car smell permeates everything, the roar of the
engine, the glinting of light off of the paint. When we translate that to BDSM
emoting someone could literally take all the things they see, hear, and
describe that they feel, and make it very real for themselves.#
[16:24] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Yes!
[16:25] (Benedetta
it>en): Exactly... these are called emotions
[16:25] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Experience is different for each person....psychology is
still working on how we really share an objective reality when everything we
sense and process can be differrent
[16:26] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but emotions are
very real as Benedetta said
[16:26] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And being
bound...or binding someone...produces (or can produce) a strong emotional
response that fills one
[16:26] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So very well said
Wynter!
[16:26] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): smiles and nods.
[16:27] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thank you!
[16:27] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Liss has a
question
[16:27] Liss (LissomePrey Resident): Listening to the
responses, it is clear that the aesthetics of bondage are an important part as
is the ritual of applying the restraints. I am always intrigued by a one bar
prison which imprisons the sub without
the necessity of ropes, cuffs etc. Does this really constitute bondage and how
would people react to it?#
[16:27] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): anyone can
answer, please DO NOT use a C. Just
answer if you wish.
[16:28] (Benedetta
it>en): it's the order that affects the mind even without ropes or
handcuffs, aesthetically it loses something but mentally I fill the space
[16:29] Rarden Savage (Rarden85 Resident): I agree with
Benedetta, it's the idea and the mind that do more in that case then the item
itself
[16:29] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): If I'm
understanding the question properly, cages/prison cells are a form of
restraint. It can be a way for someone to enjoy confinement without perhaps
having the words to describe all the intricate knot work. Or just a different
aesthetic altogether.
[16:30] (Benedetta
it>en): try replacing visual aesthetics with mental ones
[16:30] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): YES!
[16:30] (Benedetta
it>en): and you will realize that the effect is duplicated
[16:30] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Theater of the
Mind!
[16:30] (Benedetta
it>en): the theater of the mind...exactly
[16:30] Rarden Savage (Rarden85 Resident): for everything SL
offers the mind is still the key
[16:30] Liss (LissomePrey Resident): It is similar but
basically a very simple way of capturing/displaying a sub using a carefully
adjusted upright tube.
[16:31] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Too bad Brianne
doesn't come anymore...we could have her demonstrate :P
[16:31] (Benedetta
it>en): it's a theater where you are the stage... you are the lights... you
are the voice... you are the sound
[16:31] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Agreed Benedetta!
[16:32] Liss (LissomePrey Resident): nods
[16:32] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Excellent!
[16:32] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks Liss
[16:33] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So I have a
question....please answer this as you will, no C
[16:34] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We talked quite a
bit about rigging, which is yummy...but what about just being cuffed and
helpless at a Dominant's feet? How does
that feel to you either as the bottom/sub so tied and helpless, or the Domiant
with that sexy person there totally incapable of movement?
[16:34] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): no C just answer
[16:35] (Benedetta
it>en): I would feel very lively I would start breathing
[16:35] (Benedetta
it>en): and I would be far from defenseless but rather very protected
[16:35] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): smiles
[16:35] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): It would depend
on the dominant I suppose. Brittany has bound and blindfolded me in the past,
and although I had fear around the situation, it was also exhilarating and
ultimately calming once I settled.#
[16:35] Liss (LissomePrey Resident): nods
[16:36] Ɓrittaŋɣ ღ Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Brittany Serenade): We've both
been helpless and it's very intimate ♥
[16:36] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): As a switch I can
attest that either side of that equation is very sexy hot, but for different
reasons.
[16:36] Liss (LissomePrey Resident): For me almost a
paradox. It is both calming and freeing but also frustrating in that I am
greedy and ideally wanting more.
[16:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): hee hee good
point Liss!
[16:37] Ɓrittaŋɣ ღ Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Brittany Serenade): Liss at
least around our house we call that greedy frustration "eagerness"
heh
[16:37] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): smirks and nods.
[16:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I call it
"shirley"
[16:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): (Sesame Street
reference...showing my age)
[16:38] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): It boils down to the
essence of the power exchange. The trust
given to me when a sub is otherwise helpless and vulnerable. On top of that,
the inability to move ads a certain focus ; nothing else for my partner to do
then just be, watch and listen
[16:38] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): At least you
didn't call it "late for dinner" (and I thought that was an Airplane
reference tbh)
[16:38] Ɓrittaŋɣ ღ Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Brittany Serenade): (here I
was thinking that was a blowup doll from airplane)
[16:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): LOL
[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I love that Vent!
[16:39] Rarden Savage (Rarden85 Resident): (a new series
Airplane meets Sesame Street)
[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): lol
[16:39] Johan Dark (WJohanW Resident): ((Today in Sesame
Street.. we learn to speak Jive!)
[16:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): lol
[16:40] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): (chuckles thinking
about the smiling blow up doll)
[16:40] Rarden Savage (Rarden85 Resident): I also think
there is an important aspect in the exchange around the exchange
[16:40] Rarden Savage (Rarden85 Resident): the deeper the
trust I think the more fully one can experience the event
[16:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): yes yes and yes!
[16:40] Rarden Savage (Rarden85 Resident): if you don't know
someone its hard to let go
[16:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I agree
[16:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): at least fully
[16:41] Rarden Savage (Rarden85 Resident): but again..
anticipation fits.. i've given rope demonstrations where a sub I've never
touched before slips into subspace with my first tie
[16:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): as there is
always that *thing* in the back of the mind
[16:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): It's all so yummy
[16:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and it really is
an intimate moment when the sub is just 100% dependent on their Dom to even just move...that's where the real
letting go can happen, IMO, Rarden.
[16:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Excellent!
[16:43] (Benedetta
it>en): I apologize for interrupting but I have to go...thank you all for
your hospitality and see you soon
[16:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Ok any final
comments on this topic?
[16:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Ciao, Benedetta,
molto grazie per i commenti!
[16:44] (Benedetta
en>en): smiles
[16:44] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): Benedetta, alla
prossima .. :)
[16:44] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): all right, great
to get this going again and thank you all so much for your comments!
[16:45] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): in two weeks we
do "D is for Discipline!"
[16:45] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): Oh, looking forward to
it ;)
[16:45] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): which I will
likely split into two discussions
[16:45] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): one on behavior
modification
[16:45] Vent Sinatra (Vent Sinatra): thank you Vanessa for
the moderation
[16:45] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): Always a
wonderful discussion, Vanni. Thank you for your awesome facilitation :)
[16:45] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and one on
"funishment" ;)
[16:45] Johan Dark (WJohanW Resident): Thank you Vanni,
Thank you everyone for great comments and discussion!
[16:45] Ɓrittaŋɣ ღ Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Brittany Serenade): Thank you
for having us Vanni
[16:45] Wɣŋtɛr Sɛrɛŋaɖɛ (Wynter Serenade): 's ears perk up at funishment.
