[15:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So let's start up
[15:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Good morning and welcome to Koffee Klatch!
[15:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Our discussions are in text and are in the usual C/Q/R format, meaning type "C" if you wish to make a comment, "Q" if you have a question, usually directed at a person's comments, and "R" if you wish to retract either your C or your Q. If a person has a question for a specific person on what they said, just say "Q @ [name]"
[15:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We tend to go in the order received; however, we generally will promote questions directed at a person's comment to the top. The handy-dandy giant coffee cup in the middle will keep track of the order.
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[15:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Please keep extraneous talk in IM...otherwise it gets noisy!
[15:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): The archive for this Klatch can be found here: https://xaarakoffeeklatch.blogspot.com/ It houses current and many older discussions.
[15:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): With that out of the way, we'll begin.
[15:41] (Coffee Discussion Tracker): Welcome all to today's discussion!
[15:41] (Coffee Discussion Tracker): Our moderator for this session will be Vanessa Cannoli
[15:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Today we continue our walk through the BDSM acronym by focusing on the "s" in D/s
[15:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): After today we have a few more topics to go through: subs vs slaves, the DaddyDom/babygirl dynamic and finally....The Brat!
[15:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And not the kind with saurkraut and mustard!
[15:43] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): brats are a myth
[15:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And of course if there is a topic you feel we could still squeeze out of this, please do let me know!
[15:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): lol Becky!
[15:44] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So some exposition on Submission and then we'll go to comments...as thoughts arise, just drop a 'c' or a 'q' in chat.
[15:44] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): First, I'd like to point out that there is both overlap and differentiation between Tops/Bottoms and Dominants/subs or slaves.
[15:45] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): At my First Life club, I'd say 75-80% of the people are Tops and Bottoms. We get together, do perverse, kinky things, and then go home. The Power Exchange is for the hour or so that's given over to that interaction.
[15:46] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Although I was just there last night, and there a really lovely subby girl there with her Miss on speaking restriction...she could only speak to her Miss. It was cute and smexy to watch!
[15:46] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Also, the exchange in a one-off scene is very specific -- we will do this and that but not THAT.
[15:47] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So Top/Bottom is based on scene activity, which we of course do here in SL and Xaara. D/s, on the other hand, is based on some aspect of a growing relationship.
[15:48] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): The power exchange is stronger but also less directly formalized as the connection grows. The formality melts into a relationship of shared kinks, desires and growth into each other.
[15:49] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): As we discussed the Dominant over the past couple Klatches, today we come to the submissive, the person who wants to give themselves over to the direction of the Dominant, serve their needs and be whatever it is the Dom/me wants and they come up with together.
[15:50] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Just as Domination is something more than "topping," then Submission is something more than "bottoming." The question is, what is it?
[15:50] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Why do submissives get such a thrill from being truly submissive to a Dominant person?
[15:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And, what is that gets the Dom/me drawn to the sub type? What do they see, what's the click there?
[15:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Remember, vanillas don't get what we do, they think "Dominants are monsters and subs are doormat types and it's all abuse" (well, some vanillas, to be fair)
[15:54] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): But we know better, so what's the "zing" of submission? Why do we do it, subs, and why do our Dominants like it so much and get their kicks watching us squirm? (No, please don't. do that. No, really. Stop.) </Willy Wonka Voice>
[15:55] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So with that, my exposition is done....what do you all think? *sips coffee and looks at the cup for Cs and Qs*
[15:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Rache,l when you are ready, please.
[15:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): wonders if Imy is either sleepy or writing a novella of material.... :P
[15:59] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): I don't know why I am what I am...I think sometimes it's the way I was raised...then I think that maybe it's more hereditary. I just know it's what I am. #
[15:59] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Hereditary is an interesting term here...do you believe that being submissive is something in your family?
[15:59] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): I do Miss Vanni
[16:00] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): mostly maternal line
[16:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): As a sociologist, I accept that both nature and nurture are what drive our personalities and they are deeply intertwined
[16:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so if there are genes that are more prone to 'passiveness' and being led in a person, those will also be reinforced by learned behaviors...they create a sort of feedback loop
[16:02] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And I think the same can be said for Dominance
[16:03] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So that's a good insight Rachel, thanks for that!
[16:03] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We go to Madame Koolhoven, s'il vous plait..
[16:04] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): thank you chérie
[16:04] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): Its seeing them squirm that I enjoy. Knowing they, at least, enjoy the challenge I am issuing. I adore impact and shibari, but its not all we do, I am also strong on pony and protocol, which keeps her in line, and makes my domination of her the more enjoyable. She knows how to walk, and where to stand depending on the situation. One example, I was at a tea and tarts event, where we were invited to bring our own cup. I brought a high opaque cup and gave her the order to never let my cup be empty. You can imagine how much I played on that, knowing she couldn't see the bottom of my cup from where she was. I couldn't see her, but I felt her trying to go even higher on her 3 inches heels to see in my cup. A friend later told me how much work she put in it, as he was on the other end of the room, he was able to see all she did. All of this requires active dominance, which I adore. This moment was highly pleasurable, and for me, something I very much look for, playfulness, willingness to go to the end of her task,
[16:04] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): and to bring us a good laugh afterwards. That connection that makes us feel like we are dancing together. (and yes, I did call my girl a tart all along) ♥
[16:05] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ooo strawberry tart hopefully!!
[16:05] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): we had lemon, choco and berries
[16:05] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): mmmm
[16:05] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and yes it's the interplay
[16:06] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): The push this or that way...the reaction...the service rendered and the big smile when the sub hears "good boy/girl/person!"
[16:06] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): praise kink, yus
[16:07] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I also like how you said that 'active dominance' is required for this
[16:07] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Being a switch, I know...being a Dominant is hard work!
[16:07] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Just as being submissive is.
[16:07] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): its why we need to switch at times
[16:08] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Right...different but complementary energies
[16:08] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): doing a lovely dance together
[16:08] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): making sure the wheel of energy keeps on turning
[16:08] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Indeed!
[16:09] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Get beat on my caboose to make the paddle in my hand work efficiently! :P
[16:09] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): lol very well said
[16:09] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): grins
[16:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Merci beaucoup, ma belle amie!
[16:10] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): ♥ souffle un doux baiser
[16:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): :)
[16:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Autumn, we come to you, please!
[16:10] Aυţυмη нαuι (AutumnRaineSkye Resident): I am new to actually being a submissive to a Dominant, but it's something I've wanted for a long time. What I craved the most was being known. I don't know how much of it has to do with being autistic and always feeling misunderstood, but to have someone want to know me fully, understand me so they can help me grow and be the best I can be. There is also the part of being taken care of, as someone with a traumatic past who never had anyone she could rely on, that makes me feel special as well. Along with not HAVING to be in control. I also LOVE making someone else feel special, so being able to focus on my Master, learn him and know him as well as he knows me, so I can do anything I can for him to help make his life more easy and enjoyable, that makes me happy as well. For me it's so much more than just the sexual parts, it's the deep emotions that go into it. #
[16:11] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): All very well said!
[16:11] Aυţυмη нαuι (AutumnRaineSkye Resident): smiles
[16:12] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): D/s should always be about building up each other, never tearing down in any mean way. That's abuse.
[16:13] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Now sometimes the Dominant will "break" metaphorically some aspects of the sub's life or personality that are unhealthy. Johan, I believe you have spoken to this.
[16:13] Johan Dark (WJohanW Resident): Briefly :)
[16:13] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): But this "breaking" is not destructive but constructive.
[16:13] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Sometimes a foundation has to be repoured before the house can be built.
[16:13] Aυţυмη нαuι (AutumnRaineSkye Resident): Yes
[16:14] Johan Dark (WJohanW Resident): And sometimes you have to tear down the old badly constructed house BEFORE you can fix the foundation to build anew :)
[16:14] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): 100%!!
[16:14] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): ♥
[16:15] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That's what I hear you saying, Autumn, that the complimentary aspects of your Master's and your lives connect with each other.
[16:15] Aυţυмη нαuι (AutumnRaineSkye Resident): Yes, he is helping me build better habits, and break bad ones, so I can grow and be the best I can be
[16:15] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Outstanding! See, just as Johan said!
[16:15] Aυţυмη нαuι (AutumnRaineSkye Resident): Nods
[16:17] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And your willing submission feeds the aspects he needs to lead, care and nurture your growth...and occasionally do "horrid" stuff to you that none of us would ever do ....*coughs and puts my flogger away ceremoniously*
[16:17] Aυţυмη нαuι (AutumnRaineSkye Resident): Laughs "Exactly!"
[16:17] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): giggles
[16:17] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): I'd like to add that this can also work the other way around, our subs get to know us so well that they can help us rebuild parts of ourselves
[16:17] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): 100% as well!
[16:17] Aυţυмη нαuι (AutumnRaineSkye Resident): That is something I hope to be able to do as well
[16:18] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): ♥
[16:18] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): It's always a feedback loop....just as in a vanilla relationship the partners build each other and care for each other...so do the Dom/me and the submissive...just in a more formalized way.
[16:19] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): realizes my sociologist stuff is leaking out and tries to beat it back in the toybag
[16:19] Aυţυмη нαuι (AutumnRaineSkye Resident): Grins
[16:19] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): control yourself woman! ;p
[16:19] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks so much Autumn! I'd love to hear how things are going if you and your Master want to share with us!
[16:20] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): lol
[16:20] Aυţυмη нαuι (AutumnRaineSkye Resident): I will let him know
[16:20] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Imy, thanks for waiting, you are up!
[16:20] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): (To be fair, I am sleepy lol. But I'm also back and forth getting the final chores done so I can head home soon.) I say this at least half-jokingly, but there are sometimes that I wonder if I'm truly submissive at all or if I'm simply letting my autism rule and becoming drawn to Dominants because they provide structure and tell me exactly what to do. xD I... had more to say but my train of thought has been delayed by my lack of sleep sooo I'll leave it for now. Also, "good pet" is my favorite gender neutral praise. Just to add that to the conversation for those Dominants dealing with enby partners - another one for your arsenal to make us squirm a bit. (The ADHD is ADHD'ing this morning - I'm so sorry lol) #
[16:21] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): walks over to Imy and snuggles her tight
[16:21] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): ♥
[16:21] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): giggles and snuggles back.
[16:22] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): First, I don't think "truly submissive" is meaningful to anyone but ourselves and the person to whom we connect.
[16:22] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Anyone outside of that saying "ur doing it wrng" can go fly a kite, to be nice.
[16:22] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): lol, yes
[16:23] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): Sit and spin -nods nods-
[16:23] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So, how you and your Master connect is 100% right for you, and your being a real submissive is simply "are you happy where you are?" If that answer is "yes" it's all good. And I also think that one thing *all* subs desire is structure!
[16:24] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That's a sliding scale, of course.
[16:24] RB (RBQuinn Resident): What is 'enby'?
[16:24] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): Non-binary, Master RB
[16:24] RB (RBQuinn Resident): ty
[16:24] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): "Good Pet" is a good one! ♥
[16:26] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): "What does enby stand for? Enby or NB is simply an abbreviated way of saying nonbinary."
[16:26] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so it's just a written "vocalization" of NB.
[16:27] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): A whole workshop could be made of BDSM and gender variance.
[16:28] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): chuckles.
[16:28] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): and not to be mixed with RB=Rogue Binary
[16:28] RB (RBQuinn Resident): I was afraid it was some far-flung region of the personality classification, beyond INTJ, etc.
[16:28] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I can see that RB!
[16:28] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): One thing I've always loved about the BDSM community is how it largely embraces gender variance....people are people and are all welcome.
[16:28] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): nods lots.
[16:30] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): One night several years ago some d00d came to my First Life club and actually asked the Dungeon Monitor "why are there so many transwomen here? Is this a gay club?"
[16:30] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): He was told "if you don't like it, the f*ing door is right there." He left in a huff.
[16:31] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Yeah....but we also get people who think we're a brothel so it's not totally uncommon to get nitwits
[16:31] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Anyway, we're going on a tangent
[16:31] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks so much Imy!! ♥
[16:32] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): The next comment is an anonymous one
[09:32] Coffee Discussion Tracker: Anonymous message: Q....ive always known i had a sub side since i was a young teen in rl...wit hmy wife iafter a tiem realized shehad a dom side...she didnt acept she had...I told her she had to embrace it..and not deny it...slovly we have tried out our sub/dom side
[16:33] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That is very cool!
[16:34] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And often that is how D/s starts....a vanilla couple start reading about BDSM and realize they have a personality toward one side or the other...then the other person gets into it..and before you know it...another D/s couple are born!
[16:35] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): "You have 150 lb bouncing baby sub!"
[16:35] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): wooohoo! wet that diaper, girl!
[16:35] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): LOL!
[16:36] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Hey if they're into that...we never kink shame!
[16:36] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): ykinmybik
[16:36] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): maybe one too many letters ;p
[16:37] RB (RBQuinn Resident): ykinmkbykio
[16:37] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): ♥
[16:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I have a friend that had a side biz for a while making BDSM furniture....he was commissioned by a fellow to make an adult sized crib for him. My friend quoted a price and the guy paid up immediately, saying he was happy he found someone to make it for him!
[16:38] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): its indeed rare to find good quality in that regard
[16:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): My friend said "I don't care what he does...all I care about is cash...he pays, he gets his crib with a smile."
[16:38] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): at the dungeon, we bought a psychiatry bed, it works
[16:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): oooo!
[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks to whoever gave that comment
[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Ok, I have one question to the group to close out
[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): No Cs please if you care to answer...just answer
[16:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Is romantic love fully compatible with D/s? Meaning can you be romantically in love with each other and still fully express dominance and submission in a very strict, formal way? Some theorize they are separate from each other...others disagree. What do you think (again..no Cs!) ;)
[16:41] Aυţυмη нαuι (AutumnRaineSkye Resident): For me, it is, if there weren't a romantic connection as well, it wouldn't be the same
[16:41] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): Would that fall into a more Domestic BDSM?
[16:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): It might Rachel
[16:42] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): Let's they married for love...but then moved into a D/s relationship...the core is still love..right?
[16:43] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): *let's say
[16:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): nods
[16:43] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): many onions to peel in that question Miss Vanni
[16:44] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Master Jameson and his girl Rhonda here do a 50s form of D/s where she lives as both his 50s style wife and his submissive....and they seem to be very happy
[16:45] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): murmurs about "do not say Leave it to Beaver"
[16:45] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): I think yes, I need to feel a deep connection with my partners. Feeling I am hurting someone I care about, and its consensual is a big plus for me. I also need to have "vanilla" moments, build intimacy, as I mainly seek to grow as well as helping my partners grow. So we need to understand our needs, but also our future aspirations... yes, we can do that without romanticism, but for me, its the way to bliss. Where I draw a line is that any BDSM activity is never centered around sex, if it happens, it does, if not, then its still great. And I agree with Rachel, we could peel a large onion to finally get to a definitive answer.
[16:46] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): indeed!
[16:46] RB (RBQuinn Resident): I doubt there IS a definitive answer -- it seems much too personal a question to find unanimity
[16:46] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): yusp
[16:47] Georges (NoButNoIf Resident): smiles listening actively
[16:47] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): People not familiar with the scene are often boggled to find out that the vast majority of scenes at a club do not involve kinky sex
[16:47] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): nods in agreement
[16:47] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I've been a member for over 12 years, never had sex with anyone and only a very few times ever touched a person's "privates"
[16:48] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): dang, I was talking to a guy this spring, new to the dungeon, so I tried to steer him towards kink, get to know him, and the conversation ended with "what is it you are looking for tonight?" "well, if someone was to suck my dick, I'd be happy" lol
[16:48] Johan Dark (WJohanW Resident): *Image RUINED* /sarcasm
[16:48] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): omg lol
[16:48] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ha ha Johan!
[16:48] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): lol
[16:49] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): so many expect the submissive won't say no, so they see this as a free sex zone
[16:50] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): : I ask because if a vanilla couple start getting involved in D/s (as opposed to say only bedroom BDSM games) some aspects of what they do will change.
[16:50] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): (I got distracted again, reading back up to the question lol) For me it's worked. My love for my Master simply increases my devotion. I ~have run into more sensual Dominants who find that Their love decreases Their desire to do the more harsh S/m things that I enjoy from time to time, but the openness of my typical relationships allow me to discreetly get that elsewhere if need by.
[16:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Makes sense!
[16:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): As RB said, there is no definitive answer
[16:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We aren't here to figure out the "one true way"
[16:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): oh yes 100%
[16:52] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I have several friends who are couples and have kids, and are kinky, and kink is never seen or discussed with them
[16:53] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Of course at some point the kids will likely figure out something is up and will ask a question or two...they'll have to handle that when the time comes
[16:54] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): I was never the kid who found their mother's flogger. I was, however, the kid whose mother found my flogger, and we've just acted like it never happened and haven't talked about it since xD
[16:54] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): awww lol
[16:55] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): LOL!
[16:56] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): But I do think raising kids in a family that accepts people and is in general positive about expressions of love and sex would be the best way...then if kids find out their parents are kinky, it's just 'that's what mom and dad do'
[16:56] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): exactly
[16:57] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Just like when they find out...to their SHOCK AND HORROR...they are a result of a sex act of their parents...
[16:57] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): A normal part of their lives?
[16:57] RachelHolt (RachelHolt Resident): Then it's accepted as such...I would hope
[16:57] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Young people find out what sex is and often get a big squirmy that their parents roll around on the bed together lol
[16:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): or at least they used to
[16:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Gen Z might be more "eh..." about it...
[16:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Anyway, food for thought!
[16:58] Johan Dark (WJohanW Resident): <-- still traumatized by walking into the living room and seeing it though
[16:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): oooops
[16:58] Johan Dark (WJohanW Resident): Yeah, not the best vision in the world
[16:59] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Yeah one Saturday morning my parents forgot to shut the door...I got up to watch cartoons and saw them .... what they called 'wrestling'
[16:59] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I didn't think much of it though lol
[17:00] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Had to get to Scooby Doo
[17:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and with that we'll close
[17:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): thanks for a great chat today
[17:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): in two weeks..."sub vs slave!"
[17:02] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): you are all what makes this great
[17:02] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I just lead it
[17:02] Becky Koolhoven (Becky Koolhoven): merci ma chérie, it was nice to be back and witness such a great event ♥
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