[15:36] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): let's go ahead and get started
[15:37] Rachel Aimar (RachelHolt Resident): Welcome back
Miss Vanni
[15:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Good morning and
welcome to Koffee Klatch!
[15:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Our discussions
are in text and are in the usual C/Q/R format, meaning type "C" if
you wish to make a comment, "Q" if you have a question, usually
directed at a person's comments, and "R" if you wish to retract
either your C or your Q. If a person has
a question for a specific person on what they said, just say "Q @
[name]"
[15:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We tend to go in
the order received, however, we generally will promote questions directed at a
person's comment to the top. The
handy-dandy giant coffee cup in the middle will keep track of the order.
[15:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): If a person asks
a question of the group, there is no need to put in a "C" to reply,
replies to the question will be open.
Just answer, or we'll have a bunch of "Cs" at the bottom.
[15:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Please keep
further greetings and extraneous talk in IM...otherwise it gets noisy! Thank you! ♥
[15:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): The archive for
this Klatch can be found here:
https://xaarakoffeeklatch.blogspot.com/
It houses current and many older discussions.
[15:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): With that out of
the way, we'll begin.
[15:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): as usual I have a
bit of exposition
[15:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so as I yammer,
feel free to put in a C or a Q
[15:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): then we will go
to the queue
[15:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Our topic today
is "Speed Racer Collaring" *hums Speed Racer theme*
[15:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): There is a
tendency in SL to move at what I call "Hyper-Speed"...
[15:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Where people tend
to throw caution to the wind and move into some form of relationship very
quickly...much faster than we would do so in First Life, usually
[15:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I think I read
somewhere on the SL forums that the average SL "marriage" (vanilla)
last less than 45 days
[15:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That makes many
Hollywood celebreties look like the Buddha of relationship
[15:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And I'm sure
we've known D/s arrangements that have lasted less than that time.
[15:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Two friends of
mine did a collaring ceremony here...didn't even make a week...
[15:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and, of course,
there are many relationships, both vanilla and D/s that last years.
[15:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I want to be
clear we aren't here to hate on anyone or point fingers.
[15:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We are discussing
more the *why* this happens here in SL much more than we see in First Life.
[15:44] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So, my questions
today are two: 1) why do you think
people rush into collars here, either offering by the Domor begging by the sub,
and 2) what effects do you think this rush has on both that couple (or more)
having success, and does it ripple out to further relationships?
[15:46] Rilan and Rilyn (Maslow Darwinian): C - I ran a club
in RL for about a year in a large city and I would see arranagements come and
go. People would create quick D/s
situationship
[15:47] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): would they last?
[15:47] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): in general?
[15:47] Rilan and Rilyn (Maslow Darwinian): I think some
would turn into general relationships
[15:47] Rilan and Rilyn (Maslow Darwinian): but I would say
25% success rate probably?
[15:47] Rilan and Rilyn (Maslow Darwinian): SL maybe we see
a ...I don't even know....5% success rate.
[15:47] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): that's pretty
long odds!
[15:48] Rilan and Rilyn (Maslow Darwinian): but it was a
different level of commitment. They
weren't collaring, they weren't stating you are mine for now and always, they
were saying-- we have vetted each other and we are going to.. idk... tie you to
the spanking bench, spank you, and then provide aftercare and we are going to
do that regularly.
[15:49] Richard (Richard2502 Resident): in rl 95% is the
number of failed relaionships within 5 years
[15:49] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so more like
regular play partners than a real relationship
[15:49] Rilan and Rilyn (Maslow Darwinian): but even doing
that-- there was more upfront let's call it paperwork. People sat down to talk
about what was in and out of bounds and they came to an understanding
[15:49] Rilan and Rilyn (Maslow Darwinian): Correct
[15:50] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): smiles at Wanda
and takes a coffee "Thank you!"
[15:50] Wanda Play (WandaPlay Resident): You're welcome,
ma'am. -curtsies-
[15:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): richard I'm not
sure 95% of all relationships end in five years, but certainly most divorce
happens within a five year spread from the wedding
[15:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I have no handy
stats on D/s lol
[15:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): thanks Rilan and
Rilyn!
[15:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): we will go to
Rachel next please
[15:52] Rachel Aimar (RachelHolt Resident): I can only speak
from a sub/slave perspective. There are
a few reasons that may help understand why this hyper-speed occurs.
[15:53] Rachel Aimar (RachelHolt Resident): The commitment
is the surrender...submitting to the hand or collar of the Dom/me.
[15:53] Rachel Aimar (RachelHolt Resident): #
[15:53] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): 100% I get that
Rachel
[15:54] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but here is the
question...all that is valid...but why do we jump into things so fast
here? Wanting the connection and the
security is part of human need, but it only takes days...hours...to do what
takes weeks or even months in first life.
[15:55] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I mean I'm not
gonna walk into my local RL BDSM club and take or hand out a collar 30 mins
after meeting someone...or even a few days!
[15:55] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Here we see that.
[15:56] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And I'm wondering
why we throw the caution to the wind.
[15:57] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks Rachel!
[15:57] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Someone dropped
in an anonymous comment
[15:57] Coffee Discussion Tracker: Anonymous message: Is it
a risk issue? In RL, submtting to the wrong person comes with a significant
amount of emotional and physical risk. In SL, we don't hve the same inherent
risks
[15:57] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Aha!
[15:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So is it fair to
say there is less potential consequence here?
[15:59] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I will tell you
this
[15:59] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I'm a switch and
have been both owned by a Domand I've had submissives here...maybe 8 over my
20+ years
[16:00] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Exactly
ONE...ONE...has not ghosted me when they decided it was "over"
[16:00] Flo (Floreo Resident): wow
[16:00] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): All the rest just
disappeared when they decided it was over.
[16:00] BERT (Bert Huntsman): I think the absence of certain
RL consequences makes it easier to both jump into relationships AND terminate
them quickly.
[16:00] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): whereas anytime I
felt I needed to ask for release I've never done that...always went and talked
[16:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so yeah...people
want to avoid consequence.
[16:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Bert sorry
[16:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): let's go to your
comment
[16:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I agree 100%
[16:02] BERT (Bert Huntsman): Well, for example, I can
always exit the game and cancel my account in SL. The consequences of doing
that in RL are pretty dire.
[16:03] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): lol truth!!
[16:03] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): there's no
"reboot" here in first life!
[16:04] BERT (Bert Huntsman): Also, SL is so rooted in
fantasy and imagination. There is very little to stop it running away with us.
In RL there are more brakes on it. Not totally, of course, but more.
[16:05] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Agree....if you
don't believe I'm really 25 and have gorgeous blond hair and perfect boobz in
First Life then YOU have the problem! ;)
[16:05] BERT (Bert Huntsman): LOL
[16:05] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I started in SL
when I was five ya know...
[16:05] Richard (Richard2502 Resident): you age well
[16:06] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thank you lol
[16:06] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks Bert! Great comments
[16:07] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Magnus you
retracted, did we already get to what you wanted to say?
[16:07] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): You did. I was
going to make pretty much the same comments.
[16:07] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): you can always
give it in a different way though!
[16:07] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): or add to it
[16:07] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): chuckles. All
right.
[16:08] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): I've been guilty of
this myself. It takes months to earn my trust in RL. But in SL? Not so much.
I'm a romantic at heart, so I find myself falling into or out of love very
easily.
My theory is that the hyperspeed of the SL relationship has
two components.
First, there's less actual perceived risk than in RL. One
can make a commitment to another person with worries of getting pregnant,
breaking up homes, and all that stuff that comes with an RL breakup or divorce.
Second, I feel that a lot of people who are seeking
engagement in SL are trying to fill a need, and that need is, often, easy to
find here. So, we jump in with both feet in an attempt to get the instant
gratification of where we want to end up.
[16:09] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That's a great
comment!
[16:09] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I am glad you
gave it
[16:09] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and you used a
term I use in sociology classes:
immediate gratification
[16:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): People want it
NOW. And then when it doesn't work out,
off comes velcro collar and find the next one who will give NOW and BETTER.
[16:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That can happen
on either side.
[16:10] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): nods. Exactly what
I was thinking.
[16:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but there are
consequences
[16:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): we just don't see
them.
[16:11] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): All those people
that just ghosted me....after I said "DO NOT DO THIS ONE THING TO
ME"....each one hurt me terribly.
[16:12] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Because I was
left with this feeling of "WTF did I do?
DID I even do anything? Or were
they just bored and went to greener pastures?"
[16:12] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And it's why I
never just vanish, it hurts the others.
[16:12] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Sure breaking up
sucks, but we need closure.
[16:13] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so what you said
is right on Magnus
[16:13] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and then the lack
of *perceived* consequence makes people into a sort of NPC "Mission
Giver"
[16:14] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so great comment,
thanks!
[16:14] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): smiles.
[16:15] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Other comments on
the nature of warp speed, and why people jump both into and out of D/s (and
vanilla) relationships here?
[16:15] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): oh and Seli are
you ready for your demo you mentioned?
we need a sub for a 3 minute collaring please LOL
[16:16] Seli (Seliara Elton): laughs
[16:16] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): When you are
ready for your comment Seli go right ahead!
[16:16] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): No risk, either,
because the volunteer will just ghost her at 3 minutes.
[16:16] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): LOL
[16:16] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I have my new
account all ready!
[16:16] BERT (Bert Huntsman): grins
[16:17] Richard (Richard2502 Resident): gulps
[16:17] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): When you see
"Canessa Vannoli" come in next time you will know it's me
[16:18] BERT (Bert Huntsman): bursts out laughing
[16:18] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): snorts.
[16:18] Seli (Seliara Elton): I think one take I have is
that I get the sense there are people who contextualize D/s and SL
relationships as necessary to be these huge longstanding commitments, and I do
think there is a value in people sometimes being honest and open to say
"hey, I'm more in the mood for a hook up" rather than pretending to
dive into a relationship they have no interest in following through on. Not
every play session needs to be a marraiage proposal, and I do think we'd all benefit
if more folks found healthy ways to communicate that desire. #
[16:18] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): YES!
[16:18] BERT (Bert Huntsman): nods
[16:19] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): in my 13 or so
years in the BDSM community in Southern California, I'd say 10-15% at most of
people in clubs and the community are really looking for D/s. Most are looking to hook up at a party, get
an hour of solid S/M or something going on, then that's it .. go home.
[16:20] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Whereas in SL,
having a Domor sub/slave seems the "gold standard"
[16:20] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): nothing wrong
with that of course...but I think it leads to exactly what you said, Seli
[16:20] Seli (Seliara Elton): It's almost like some folks
don't realize a casual hookup is an option.
[16:21] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): People
contextualize "D/s" as "we're having fun together"
[16:21] Seli (Seliara Elton): But like everything, it's all
communication.
[16:21] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): or
"romance" the same way for "hot sex" in the vanilla world
[16:21] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): exactly!
[16:21] Richard (Richard2502 Resident): sex? what is that
[16:22] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): well...it's when
the couple want to be so close that a hoo-hoo-dilly goes into someone's
cha-cha.
[16:22] Richard (Richard2502 Resident): lol
[16:22] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): or so I've
heard....
[16:23] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): plugs his ears
because of all the naughty talk.
[16:23] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Seli thanks so
much for that great comment....well thought out!
[16:23] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Imy you are up!
[16:23] Rachel Aimar (RachelHolt Resident): grins and thinks
"from a woman with last name Cannoli"
[16:23] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): (Sorry I'm
late - the sleep, it calls to me, usually at the most inopportune moments
lol.) The thing about SL that I've
always found fascinating - and I'm sorry if I'm repeating what's already been
said due to my tardiness - is that people ~feel like things move faster here,
but in some cases, you're just... condensing.
What I mean is... in RL if you were to spend 8 hours with someone, that
might be split up over the course of 4 dates, hanging out for 2 hours at a
time, over the course of a couple weeks, depending on your style of dating and
availability, yeah? In SL, sometimes,
it's not unheard of to spend an 8 hour stint of time online, and in that time
you can choose to hang out with the same person. It's still 8 hours worth of time spent
getting to know that person, talking to them, hanging out, etc... but it
happened in 1 day instead of 2 weeks.
Sometimes, the time isn't truly 'faster', but the rate at which you can
spend time together and the amount you can spend together is the part that's is
–
[16:23] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): or at least feels - faster. I dunno if that made sense - I haven't had
the caffeine yet. #
[16:24] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): I agree Imy,
everything seems more intense here
[16:24] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That's a really
good point Imy
[16:24] Rachel Aimar (RachelHolt Resident): nods in
agreement
[16:24] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): same time in a
shorter frame
[16:24] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but
[16:25] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I'm not going to
marry a person in First Life after 8 hours of 'dates'
[16:25] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): no matter how
long that takes
[16:25] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): in terms of days
[16:25] Wanda Play (WandaPlay Resident): I agree it's
important to state expectations... "I'd like to be your pet for a
day" vs "I'd like to see if we can be something permanent"
[16:25] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): grins. Right, same.
Hell, I've only been married twice in SL in -checks notes- 17 years xD
[16:26] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): you need to catch
up!
[16:26] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ;)
[16:26] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): You'll have
to pry Master's ring off my cold, dead finger, I suspect :P
[16:27] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): sorry not my
fetish, love :P
[16:27] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): giggles
[16:27] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): puts away his
knife. "Ahem, yeah. Not mine, either."
[16:27] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and there are
people that offer a collar or ask for one in 2 hours or less of meeting
[16:28] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I've told the
story of how I met a Domme years ago, and like 45 mins in a chat she asked me
to be #8 in her growing harem of 20 or so girls...or more
[16:28] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): I had someone
offer me a 3 month contract on the first date "so we could get to know
each other"
[16:28] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I politely
declined
[16:28] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): did it have
medical benefits and paid vacation, Isobel? ;)
[16:29] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): No, or I'd have
taken it!!
[16:29] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks Imy
[16:30] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Looks like Wanda
crashed or left
[16:30] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but she said
"[09:25] Wanda Play (wandaplay): I agree it's important to state
expectations... "I'd like to be your pet for a day" vs "I'd like
to see if we can be something permanent""
[16:30] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That's fine
[16:31] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Back to what you
were saying Seli "Let's do this simple thing and see what happens"
[16:31] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): do that a few
times and move from there
[16:31] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): I truly wish
more people would engage casually without making it awkward xD
[16:32] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Seriously!
[16:33] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): what I've found
is with casual hook-up play (or even just sex) is my partner seems to think
that one time means they can "call" anytime they like
[16:34] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And I don't have
that come up much in First Life BDSM stuff at the club
[16:34] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): although I did
have a pretty regular play partner for about six months, we clicked well, but
only at the club
[16:35] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): she wasn't like
"Hey, it's Tuesday night, wanna paddle me?" lol
[16:35] BERT (Bert Huntsman): chuckles
[16:35] Richard (Richard2502 Resident): bad Miss Vanni
[16:35] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): bwahahahahaa
[16:36] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): I don't know.
Having a text at 2 AM reading, "You up? Need to get spanked" would
have me throwing clothes on in a hurry.
[16:36] spice 'imy' mcginty (Spice Enthusiast): takes notes
[16:36] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): giggles
[16:36] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Not on a work
night!
[16:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): you have my
'number' Imy :P
[16:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): any final
comments on this topic?
[16:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): go for it Isobel!
[16:38] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): Yes, although
pure play has its place, I think it's a shame because so much of the fun is in
getting to know someone
[16:38] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): and allowing time
for a relationship to deepen naturally
[16:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): it is!
[16:38] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and it's just fun
to spank/flog or have it done to you lol
[16:39] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): and then the
intimacy is so much better and more meaningful
[16:39] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): #
[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Well said!
[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks Isobel!
[16:39] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): nods. I agree,
Isobel.
[16:39] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): thank you :)
[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Not everything
has to have a collar or a ring attached to it
[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): just nice red
marks and messed up hair and makeup
[16:40] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): lol
[16:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): which isn't even
a problem here!
[16:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): anyone else?
[16:40] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): someone should do
an "after" makeup
[16:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): oooo
[16:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): that would be
great
[16:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I bet something
is on the mp
[16:41] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): Complete with
tear-streaked mascara.
[16:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): that I have seen!
[16:41] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): oh yes! although
the transition might be a bit sudden
[16:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ha!
[16:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): it might make me
cry for real!
[16:42] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): lol
[16:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): "I would
have spent an HOUR on that makeup and it's....gone!"
[16:42] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): laughs
[16:43] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): maybe we need a
few stages of disorder
[16:43] Rachel Aimar (RachelHolt Resident): to bad there
isn't a fade in/out of messed up make-up
[16:43] Isobel DeSantis (Isobel DeSantis): exactly!!
[16:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): jinx!
[16:43] Rachel Aimar (RachelHolt Resident): smirks
[16:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): give each other a
coke or other flavored bevvy
[16:44] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ok then!
[16:44] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thank you all for
your participation here
[16:44] Magnus Diavolo (Magnus Diavolo): Thank you, Vanessa.
As always, a wonderful conversation.
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