[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Good morning and welcome to Koffee Klatch!
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[16:39] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We tend to go in
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[16:40] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): If a person asks
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Just answer, or we'll have a bunch of "Cs" at the bottom.
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It houses current and many older discussions.
[16:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): With that out of
the way, we'll begin.
[16:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Today our topic
is "Entering the Lifestyle"
[16:41] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): oooooh!
[16:41] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): along with what
appears to be "serious chat lag" *grr*
[16:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): As we are in a
BDSM sim and involved in the lifestyle, I like to do this discussion once a
year to let us "trade notes" on how we got involved in the lifestyle.
[16:42] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): And whether it's
only here in SL or in First Life as well.
[16:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): BTW I do prefer
the term "First Life" to "Real Life" as I think we are all
real...even though we're 25 forever.... ;)
[16:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): usually...
[16:43] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): lol
[16:43] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): So I will start
with my story and you can put in a C to tell us yours as I go on
[16:45] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): My real story of
this lifestyle starts in my 20s. I had
some inkling of it before but didn't really know much.
[16:45] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I might have done
some kinky stuff then *cough*...but that's neither here nor there.
[16:45] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): But what I did
not know was there was a whole lifestyle around kinky stuff!
[16:46] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): my first voyage
into it was good old IRC (Internet Relay Chat) in the 90s
[16:46] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): as there were a
lot of people who created kinky channels and were doing text based kinky stuff
[16:47] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I don't know how
many, if any, in the room were on IRC?
Also AOL and other online services had their own adult, kinky chat
rooms.
[16:47] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): ICQ!
[16:47] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ha!
[16:48] Rhizanthella Neximus (PreciousLove Sabra): irc and
mirc and aol and yahoo excite chat
[16:48] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ah yes!
[16:48] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): in the mid 2000s
I found SL due to a friend of mine in an online game I was playing doing DJ
stuff here
[16:49] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and not long
after I found out there was a big kink community that had gone from text based
chat to SL
[16:49] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so I started
experimenting in BDSM here and had tons of fun
[16:49] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): then around 2010
started taking steps into the First Life world
[16:50] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I found a club
nearby due to a student who had written a paper for my Sociology of Deviance
class on her experiences in that club!
[16:50] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): oh wow!
[16:50] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): it's kind of a
longish story so I'll skip that for now lol
[16:51] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): anyway I started
going to these expos the club had, like market parties where vendors would show
up and sell their paddles, floggers, whips and such
[16:52] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and there were
also "taste test" booths where one could have a little bit of some
thing done to them...like spanking, flogging, etc
[16:52] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): that really
piqued my interest
[16:52] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so after a few of
those I went to a big convention here in Los Angeles, DomConLA
[16:52] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): which is the
biggest multi day BDSM event on the West Coast that I know of
[16:53] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and not long
after that joined the local club as a member
[16:53] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so I've been a
full time pervert for 15ish years now
[16:53] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): both in First and
Second Life
[16:53] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and that's my
story of how I got involved!
[16:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): That's awesome.
[16:54] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I'd love to hear
yours...and if it's just in SL, don't worry...this is a great place to
experience what First Life may not allow for various reasons
[16:54] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so that's still
100% valid
[16:54] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ok Lyrah go ahead
[16:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): Thank you Vanni.
[16:54] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): hopefully a few
more people will pop in!
[16:54] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): Am I able to voice, or are
we text onlly?
[16:55] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): text
[16:55] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): ok
[16:55] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): I can tell you how I went
from sl submissive to rl submissive.
[16:55] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): oooo yes please!
[16:55] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): After discussing and
questioning all of my D/s friends for months and months, a trusted dominant
finally gave me the advice that was the key to my rl self awakening.
[16:55] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): He told me to go on
fetlife.com and start joining chat groups and asking questions just like I had
been doing in sl and to find a few friends.
Specifically, he told me this, "Go to fet, and find your local
munch group and befriend the mother hen.
She will invite you in, and protect you from anyone you need protecting
from. She will also be happy to introduce
you to everyone and so you'll have a friend when you go."
[16:55] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): So I did. And it worked!
[16:56] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): So I made green bean casserole,
put on my chuck taylors and headed over all nervous and all!
[16:56] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): And it was an informal
gathering where I got to make rope for the first time, and meet abunch of
normal people just like me, who happened to have kinks
[16:57] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): When I did go to my first
munch, just after that, I had friends to talk to from that party
[16:57] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): From those connections, I
went to my first class at the local play space, and the rest is history
[16:57] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): But, for those who are
looking to step into the rl from sl
[16:58] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): from my experience, meeting
that mother hen, was really the key that enabled me to have the courage to step
out on my own
[16:58] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): and I've been at it for
just over 10 years rl now
[16:58] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): it's been a blessing.
[16:58] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): the end.
[16:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): \o/
[16:58] RB (RBQuinn Resident): smiles warmly
[16:58] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Wonderful!!
[16:59] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): aw shucks
[16:59] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I should mention
that between going to the expos and joining the local club I also went to a few
of their munches and Lyrah is spot on...that's the best way to get your toe in
[16:59] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): people are so happy to
welcome new faces and to give you support
[17:00] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): everyone was new once!
[17:00] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): it's a low key
event at a place to eat (thus a "munch") and you meet the folks that
attend the parties...Our "Mother Hen" was Miss Diana who hosted it
[17:00] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): she has been in
the Los Angeles BDSM scene since the 70s
[17:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): btw as Lyrah will
confirm...if you do go to a local munch, dress in very normal clothing!
[17:01] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): that's all that's allowed
[17:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): anyone showing up
in latex or leather always got us to chuckle lol
[17:01] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): Grama-friendly attire
[17:01] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): because it's usually at a
local restaurant
[17:01] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): in a meeting room
[17:01] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): yep
[17:01] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): and we tip well.
[17:01] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): the management knows why
we're there
[17:01] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): and we want to be welcomed
back
[17:02] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): didn't happen
often but once in a while we would get new folks who didn't read the whole
announcement .... "Dress in street clothes!"
[17:02] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): and you don't mention who
attends, because you don't want others outing you. That's the golden rule
[17:02] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): that increased a
bit after the 50 Shades movie lol
[17:02] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): yes
[17:03] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): same with public play
spaces.
[17:03] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): done.
[17:03] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): there is whole etiquette
around attending a club
[17:03] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I give a whole
workshop on that!
[17:03] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): how to find one
and what to do
[17:03] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): "Moving to
First Life"
[17:04] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks so much
Lyrah for sharing, I love that you're so immersed in your local kink scene!
[17:04] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Candice you are
up!
[17:04] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): i
actually never released i started some 30 years ago, not knowing it was fetish/bdsm...when
i worked on ships, when i came home i joined a local text chat FL..and chatted
to some amazing people learning more my likes/dislikes..i started meeting
people following the safety code steps..then found on FB sl advertised for
learning RP hence i joined and found Xaara and the safety freedom to share and
learn keeps me excited and proud to call it my 2nd life home. ~#
[17:04] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): I'm happy to share if I can
be helpful to anyone. Thank you Vanni.
[17:05] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): That's awesome
Candice!
[17:05] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): :)
[17:06] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): have you been
involved in the scene most to all of your time in SL
[17:07] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): i started
in gor, found it ummmh less gor than the books i read, and luckily fell into
Xaara
[17:07] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): heh heh
[17:07] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I've not spent
time in Gor but from what I get even the "By the Book" sims aren't
always quite "by the books"
[17:08] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): exactly
true true Miss Vanni
[17:08] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): there are Gorean
first life groups too
[17:09] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): A friend found a
message board of a local group that was open to read but you had to be a member
to post
[17:09] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so I was looking
over it and it was...interesting
[17:09] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): some
locals tried setting up but it was mainly peacock feathers showing
[17:09] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): one thread was
where the Masters were debating if their Kajira wives/girlfriends should vote
[17:09] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Most thought no
[17:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but one suggested
"Yes, but we fill out their ballots for them"
[17:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): they liked that
idea
[17:10] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): nods ego
and peacock feathers
[17:10] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): bahahaaha!
[17:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): quite the
interesting bunch!
[17:10] ayelara K (GiadaGalatea Resident): giggles
[17:10] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but as long as
it's consensual it's all good
[17:10] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): indeed
Miss Vanni
[17:11] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks Candice!
[17:11] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): my
pleasure Miss Vanni
[17:11] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ok anyone else
want to share their experiences that got them in the scene, either in SL, or
also in First Life?
[17:13] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): RB please when
ready!
[17:13] RB (RBQuinn Resident): So, this is
embarrassing......
[17:14] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): no it's not!
[17:14] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): this is a safe space Sir
[17:14] RB (RBQuinn Resident): 20 years ago my gf at the
time showed up one day saying she thought she might be 'a submissive'
[17:14] RB (RBQuinn Resident): *winks at Vanni and Lyrah*
[17:14] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): !!
[17:14] RB (RBQuinn Resident): This is all inside SL, btw.
[17:15] RB (RBQuinn Resident): Well, I was aghast.
[17:15] RB (RBQuinn Resident): I knew nothing about 'the
lifestyle' and assumed the most horrible things about both sides of the slash.
[17:16] RB (RBQuinn Resident): But, I'm a supportive guy so
I gritted my teeth and we went off to find BDSM
[17:17] RB (RBQuinn Resident): As we visited different sims
dedicated to various aspects, things started to click in my head, and I could
see myself 'in there'.
[17:17] RB (RBQuinn Resident): 20 years later..... I still
am 'here' :)
[17:17] RB (RBQuinn Resident): #
[17:18] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): yay
[17:18] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): woot!
[17:18] Connie (Constanse Levenque): lifts her arms in the air and cheers quietly
[09:18] RB (rbquinn) smiles around
[09:19] Lyrah Lane: Congratulations, Sir!
[09:19] Vanessa Cannoli: What happens is a good number of
people (not saying you RB, or anyone here, just in general) find out about BDSM
via porn...and think BDSM as portrayed in a porn is what we do
[09:19] Lyrah Lane: ... amd Connie!
[09:19] Vanessa Cannoli: so they think we're sick and
twisted...but porn doesn't show real sex never mind real BDSM
[09:20] ayelara K (giadagalatea): smiles, whispers, "just when I though I was out,
they pull me back in"
[09:20] Vanessa Cannoli: so when they meet real kinky people
and find out we're quite "normal" except when we're having our kinky
fun, they realize it's not what they thought
[09:20] Vanessa Cannoli: and I think it's quite normal to
flog a willing subject anyway...
[09:20] Vanessa Cannoli: ;)
[09:21] Vanessa Cannoli: so we break the stereotypes
[09:21] Vanessa Cannoli: I'm glad you got into it RB :)
[09:21] Vanessa Cannoli: And that you and Connie have such a
great connection too
[09:21] Vanessa Cannoli: Thanks! ♥
[09:21] RB (rbquinn) smiles and nods
[09:21] Connie (constanse.levenque) smiles and hides behind
His leg
[09:21] Connie (constanse.levenque): ❤
[09:21] Vanessa Cannoli: Back to Lyrah
[09:21] Lyrah Lane: Thank you. You know when I heard about BDSM, before I
became a card carrying member, that is, I thought it was people enjoying
cruelty, as well.
[09:22] Lyrah Lane: What I loved about it, was that it could
be planned out
[09:22] Lyrah Lane: negotiated
[09:22] Lyrah Lane: I could get what I want, and my partner
the same
[09:23] Lyrah Lane: before I figured it out, I never knew
what to expect from a partner, or what he should expect of me
[09:23] Lyrah Lane: and I also enjoy the safety of public
play
[09:23] Vanessa Cannoli: 💯
[09:23] Lyrah Lane: that eyes are watching to make sure
things dont get out of hand, there are safewords
[09:23] Lyrah Lane: I feel much safer practicing ethical
BDSM than I ever did in a vanilla relationship.
[09:23] Lyrah Lane: done.
[09:23] Vanessa Cannoli: Totally!
[09:24] Vanessa Cannoli: at the club, we have had only a few
times in my experiences there for all these years that anyone yelled
"red"
[17:24] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but the few times
it did happen, not only the Dungeon Monitor but everyone free went to see what
was going on
[17:24] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): but that's a good thing
[17:24] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): yes!
[17:25] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): you CAN call red when
needed
[17:25] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): awesome
[17:25] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and people will
come running
[17:25] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so it's as safe
as it can possibly be made
[17:25] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): sure sometimes
mistakes happen, a whip goes out of control for a sec, a hit is a little too
hard
[17:26] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but the people
have sense to stop and deal with it immediately in 99% of the cases
[17:26] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I agree--- public
play is much safer than anything done behind "closed doors"
[17:27] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and yummy to
watch too!
[17:27] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): thanks Lyrah!
[17:27] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): anyone else have
a tale to tell?
[17:28] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Hi Ema!
[17:28] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): hello Miss :)
[17:28] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): We're discussing
how we got into the scene
[17:29] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): but we may be
done ;)
[17:29] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): oh for me dead easy :):)
[17:29] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): go for it!
[17:29] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): i met Lizzie in fogbound :)
[17:29] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): i knew nothing of D/s
[17:29] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ooo bound in the
fog
[17:29] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): kinky!
[17:30] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): hehehe
[17:30] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): but she had a link to mountain biking in her profile so we started
talking
[17:30] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): and that led to me being owned by her for 8 years !!!:)
[17:31] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): nice!
[17:31] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): nice Ema
[17:31] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): always have an open heart :):) smiles
[17:31] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): #
[17:32] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): you never know
where that perfect Dominant or sub might be waiting!
[17:32] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Thanks Ema!!
[17:32] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ♥
[17:32] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): lexically Miss i was so full
of questions :)
[17:32] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Anyone else?
[17:32] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): oh sure!
[17:33] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): the step in can
be scary...but seriously...can anyone really think of just being 100% vanilla
after getting involved?
[17:33] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): I couldn't
[17:33] Connie (Constanse Levenque): shakes head
[17:34] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): too much fun
*giggles*
[17:34] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): last call
[17:34] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): anyone else?
[17:34] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): you can not un learn Miss surley :):)
[17:34] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): rolls the
drum
[17:34] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Blessed are they
that flick the whip for theirs is the Kingdom of Kink
[17:34] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): amen
[17:35] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): lol
[17:35] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ok then
[17:35] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): two
things...first does anyone that shared today NOT want their contribution shared
on the blog
[17:35] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): as this is more
personal I want to keep consent
[17:35] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): Thank You
Miss Vanni, great topic
[17:35] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): I don't mind.
[17:35] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): thank you for asking,
[17:35] Pionika (Pionika Resident): Thank you, Vanessa, for
sharing your experiences so wonderfully, and thank you to everyone who shared.
It was a very interesting conversation. The time flew by.
[17:35] (Pionika's SV
Translator ru>en): Thank you, Vanessa, for sharing your experiences so
wonderfully, and thank you to everyone who shared.
[17:36] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): :)
[17:36] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): mine is
free to share Miss Vanni
[17:36] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so you're all
good with the transcript
[17:36] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): ?
[17:36] RB (RBQuinn Resident): Yes, Vanni
[17:36] Ema (Ema1983
Resident): nods happly yes miss
[17:36] Lyrah Lane (Lyrah Lane): Thank you for the food for
thought! I enjoyed this today,
Vanni. Thank you everyone.
[17:36] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): everyone knows my
story
[17:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): Second, starting
in two weeks we begin our yearly wind through the BDSM acronym
[17:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): we'll start with
"B is for Bondage"
[17:37] RB (RBQuinn Resident): cheers
[17:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): so be here to
share your bondage kinks *grins*
[17:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): well talk
[17:37] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): o.o
[17:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): and act if you
want lol
[17:37] Candice :::HotD::: (CandiceElla Resident): lol
[17:37] Vanessa Cannoli (Vanessa Cannoli): other than that
thanks for a great chat!
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